Comments on: A Universal Language https://bahaiteachings.org/bahai-principles-a-universal-language/ Personal perspectives inspired by Baha'i teachings Wed, 24 Apr 2024 22:38:32 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.3.2 By: Hasan Elias https://bahaiteachings.org/bahai-principles-a-universal-language/#comment-64246 Wed, 24 Apr 2024 22:38:32 +0000 http://bahaiteachings.org/?p=12524#comment-64246 I see this adoption by many governments of the world as late, perhaps by 200 years or more. It stems from a mature vision lacking today and in the near future. There are two phases: 1. International Auxiliary Language (IAL), 2. World Language or Universal Language (WL or UL). The IAL will likely heavily rely on English (and thus on Latin and Greek). The future WL could be heavily influenced by Arabic and/or Persian, given the projected majority of Baha’is in the world. The dilemma is that many languages will likely be lost in the process and in the future, which seems acceptable for Baha’u’llah, as suggested by my reading of many of His tablets on the issue, and I agree 100%.

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By: Stephanie Butler https://bahaiteachings.org/bahai-principles-a-universal-language/#comment-40341 Thu, 02 Apr 2020 22:28:58 +0000 http://bahaiteachings.org/?p=12524#comment-40341 In reply to Adore Newman.

I am an Esperantist and a Baha’i and would be happy to help, if you haven’t found it already. (Your post is over two years old at this time.) I will email my contact details to you.

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By: Stephanie Butler https://bahaiteachings.org/bahai-principles-a-universal-language/#comment-40340 Thu, 02 Apr 2020 22:26:38 +0000 http://bahaiteachings.org/?p=12524#comment-40340 “Internacia Kongreso estu formita, konsistanta el delegitoj de ĉiuj nacioj en la mondo, orienta kaj okcidenta. Ĉi tiu Kongreso formu lingvon akireblan de ĉiuj, kaj ĉiu lando tiel akiru grandan profiton.
Ĝis tia uzo de lingvo, la mondo daŭre sentos la vastan bezonon de ĉi tiu rimedo de interkompreniĝo. Diferenco de parolado estas unu el la plej fruktodonaj malagrablaĵoj kaj malfido, kiuj ekzistas inter nacioj, kiuj estas konservitaj aparte de ilia nekapablo kompreni unu la alian lingvon pli ol per alia motivo.
Se ĉiuj povus paroli unu lingvon, kiom pli facile estus servi la homaron!”
–Abdu’l-Baha, Parizaj Interparoloj, p. 155.
I am a strong supporter of Esperanto, and wish that all Baha’i writings will one day be translated!

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By: Sarah Dawn https://bahaiteachings.org/bahai-principles-a-universal-language/#comment-30169 Fri, 13 Jul 2018 06:05:45 +0000 http://bahaiteachings.org/?p=12524#comment-30169 I would probably just stick with English since it is already a second language for a lot of people , it’s my second language and the one I use to speak to the outside world ,away from my indigenous community

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By: Adore Newman https://bahaiteachings.org/bahai-principles-a-universal-language/#comment-26396 Mon, 01 Jan 2018 01:09:03 +0000 http://bahaiteachings.org/?p=12524#comment-26396 hi, i have an Esperantist friend on FB messenger who wants to know more about the Faith. know anybody who can help? pls email me details at adore.newman@gmail.com

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By: Wilbert Lemuel https://bahaiteachings.org/bahai-principles-a-universal-language/#comment-26199 Sun, 24 Dec 2017 04:10:25 +0000 http://bahaiteachings.org/?p=12524#comment-26199 In reply to Susan Gammage.

Hello Susan,

Thank you for sharing. I just wanted to add that Dr. Zamenhoff did construct the initial foundation of the lanuguage alone before presenting the the language to others. He was also resposible for forming a council of sorts to assist in the improvement and advancement of the language, menaing their suggestions and research were added to and in instances replaced his original work. So he is seen as the father of Esperanto but he did not create the language as we know it today by himself, but with the assitance and suppot of Esperantist from many naitons. In my opinion I think Esperanto is worth considering as it includes so any major world lanugages. Just my opinion.

Peace and blessings.

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By: Mark David Vinzens https://bahaiteachings.org/bahai-principles-a-universal-language/#comment-22938 Tue, 27 Jun 2017 06:14:22 +0000 http://bahaiteachings.org/?p=12524#comment-22938 “Language is the foundation of civilization. It is the glue that holds a people together. It is the first weapon drawn in a conflict.” (The Arrival)

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By: Andy Nousen https://bahaiteachings.org/bahai-principles-a-universal-language/#comment-19238 Mon, 03 Oct 2016 01:21:55 +0000 http://bahaiteachings.org/?p=12524#comment-19238 In reply to John Therrien Dale.

Eble vi proponu tian skribaĵon?

Actualy, I think you just provided such an article. Thank you!

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By: Anonymous https://bahaiteachings.org/bahai-principles-a-universal-language/#comment-13587 Tue, 13 Jan 2015 11:09:56 +0000 http://bahaiteachings.org/?p=12524#comment-13587 Hi David
Saluton John

If it’s possible to comment at this late date in relation to a 15 month old posting then this remarkable site is even better than I’ve often opined here already over the last few months

Given that Dr. Zamenhof’s language of peace (Esperanto) has been repeatedly and emphatically praised by the Master, the Guardian and by the Universal House of Justice and even by Baha’u’llah too in 1891 on one take from the “Epistle to the Son of the Wolf”, John i m o quite correctly updates David’s stats and wisely questions the possibly unintentional overlooking of Esperanto on David’s part in his otherwise typically brilliant BT-article titled ‘A Universal Language’..

In my own droll way deploying Socratic irony, given Esperanto’s low profile, I respond to Esperanto-skeptics and naysayers by joking: “Yes, Esperanto? Is it a French or Spanish operetta set in Utopia?” In other words, let’s never argue acrimoniously whether privately in small groups or in large public meetings. But, for God’s sake, academe, let’s talk and walk this issue through and thoroughly investigate the truth for the layperson’s sake and “for righteousness sake”! (Matthew 5:10)

Baha’i love

Paul

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By: John Therrien Dale https://bahaiteachings.org/bahai-principles-a-universal-language/#comment-13583 Mon, 12 Jan 2015 22:19:48 +0000 http://bahaiteachings.org/?p=12524#comment-13583 Dear David,

I feel your article on the Baha’i teachings on a universal language (http://bahaiteachings.org/bahai-principles-a-universal-language) could be improved.

First, your statistics could be improved and are currently possibly misleading. Statistics about the numbers of people speaking various languages are of necessity only best guesses and vary on the basis of differing professional judgments as to what constitutes a language. Nevertheless, according to Ethnologue.com and Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of_native_speakers), the top seven languages in terms of native speakers, in order of percentage of world population, are:

Mandarin (14.4%),
Spanish (6.15%),
English (5.43%),
Hindi (4.70%),
Arabic (4.43),
Portuguese (3.27%), and
Bengali (3.11%)

Thus Russian is not among the top seven, and the total percentage of the world population represented by the top seven languages is, in fact, less than a majority, namely, only 41.49%.

To reach an actual majority of the world’s population a person would need to know, in addition, another six languages, namely:

Russian (2.33%)
Japanese (1.90%)
Punjabi (1.44%)
German (1.39%)
Javanese (1.25%), and
Wu (1.20%).

Knowing these 13 top languages would in theory enable one to reach and understand 51.00 percent of humanity, a bare majority.

According to http://www.vistawide.com/languages/top_30_languages.htm, the top 30 natively spoken languages on Earth include only roughly 60 percent of the world’s population.

The implication is that language diversity among human beings is really much more profound than the article suggests and that this problem really, truly, cannot be overcome by the mere learning of multiple national languages, as might be the implication if, as you article currently reads, a “majority” of humanity could be reached through only seven languages.

Second, in fact, and as a result of humanity’s deep linguistic dispersion, an Esperanto-type solution is the only one that can in theory achieve communication with justice, namely, a relatively inclusive linguistic fairness and also a minimal and justly distributed global learning burden.

However, for some reason that is not clear in an article about the Baha’i teachings on Universal Language, you deliberately choose to omit any reference to Esperanto and to ‘Abdu’l-Baha’s and Shoghi Effendi’s repeated encouragements to Baha’is to learn Esperanto, to get it into schools, and to use it for the “divine benefits” that ‘Abdu’l-Baha said it can bestow.

You also choose not to mention the creation by the Universal House of Justice in 1973 of the Baha’i Esperanto League.

I think these need to be included.

Do you omit them because think these parts of the Baha’i position and program are invalid in some way, or unrealistic in some worldly sense? The world language barrier is both a material and a spiritual problem. Are you among those who think that English has already solved it in both aspects and has dispelled the need for a spiritualizing component such as what Esperanto can add?

For Esperanto can synergize and accelerate the learning of English and other languages, can mitigate the “baggage” associated with them, and can also directly remind us of our second-order spiritual nature as ethically and morally self-improving, self-transcending creatures. Nor is it the case that Esperanto has “died out” and thus deserves no mention. It is in fact among the roughly top 30 languages of Wikipedia and is credited with a following of roughly 1 to 2 million around the world, putting it in the same league as the Baha’i Faith itself and numerically among the top 300 to 400 languages on Earth out of what Ethnologue.com now counts as 7100.

Third, your article could be improved in that it presents the Baha’i position as consisting only of support for government actions based on some international commission. You give, as part of the Baha’i position, no active role to the peoples of the world in terms of their own actual experimentation and experience with a language such as Esperanto that would constitute a foundation for governments or experts to think about and act on. This is seriously not the case. Both Zamenhof, the initiator of Esperanto, and ‘Abdu’l-Baha saw Esperanto as simply the beginning of an evolving global citizen initiative and as part of the “end of foreignness.” Neither ever said, “Do nothing; wait for governments to act.”

In actual fact, the major national governments on Earth, driven as we all know by the psychopathology of alpha-male competition for power, have shown almost no interest at all in choosing an easy and relatively neutral language for the solidarity and benefit of the common peoples of the world, the so-called 99 Percent. The topic has never come up in the UN General Assembly, and this despite massive international citizen petitions in the 1950s and 1960s to put it on the agenda.

In conclusion, if the Baha’i position on a universal language were really as it comes across here, namely, for we the peoples to sit back in our comfy chairs and wait for governments to act on our behalf, then I would have to reject it as one of inaction and of failure to solve the problem.

But popular inaction is not the solution and is not the Baha’i position, which is one of urgent concern and action by every soul.

As a Baha’i Esperantist I make an active use of Esperanto for the benefits and for the sense of community that I can achieve through it right now, as ‘Abdu’l-Baha and Shoghi Effendi told us to.

As good as government action would be, I do not need to wait for governments in order to achieve my own immediate personal benefits through Esperanto, and neither does anyone else.

If everyone simply acted for the immediate “divine benefits” that ‘Abdu’l-Baha said Esperanto would bestow, those people be a lamp unto others, and humanity would gain illumination and begin to move rapidly and holistically toward its true linguistic destiny.

Revising your article to make these points more evident would be in the interests of all your readers.

Warmly yours,

John Dale
Milwaukie, Oregon
Bahai_Esperanto_Youth_Projects@yahoo.com

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